Mel, remember the plan! It doesn’t do anyone any good if you get fired for fighting with him. You NEED to gather evidence that he’s a menace to society and you can’t do that if he gets you fired.
Or the plan may be to provoke him into attacking the one person he can’t kill…
He’s about to discover WHY nobody fraks with Val.
And he’s gonna find out the HARD way
I think Zodo may be onto something! With no witnesses round, who’s to say Val didn’t get accidentally entombed in ice by foolishly running in front of her Hero at the wrong moment? At least, that is, until they thaw her out & she is surprisingly both alive & able to give witness to the true story!
That’s right! We don’t know if he’s aware of Val’s superheroine ability or not. He’s probably just arrogant, lazy and blase enough to think her abilities don’t matter next to his. If that’s the case, he may very well freeze her and lie about how it happened.
Whatever happens next, it’s going to make for fantastic reading!
Not only is he callous, viewing his hero license as a ‘do anything I want license’, but he comes across as a witless low ranking officer who has never learned that you ignore your veteran non-coms at your peril.
As for evidence, I’m pretty sure her testimony will count as much as if he actually froze the spraypainter. He was literally in the act when she stopped him. And saving a life takes priority over catching a rogue hero, period.
She could even be wearing a recording device trying to goad him into a confession. Laws vary from place to place, but in some states such recordings are legal and permissible as evidence as long as one party (i.e. Val in this case) knows about the recording. I’m sure the agency has mics and cameras small enough to go unnoticed while still being powerful enough to catch everything.
Not saying if she is or is not, but Michigan is a one party consent state. So only one person has to be aware of the recording. That’s for conversations where the speakers have some expectation of privacy. Things get murkier in public places, were anyone can record just about anything. So if, for example, there was someone lurking about in the shrubbery, they would also be able to record the conversation.
The idea seems nice, but presumably he has her file, and I think him not inquiring into his official sidekick’s power set beggars belief, even if he does think he’s the shit.
Its still possible he tries to freeze her in his arrogance, but not in ignorance of her powers.
I don’t know, given what we’ve seen of him so far, I doubt he’d be interested enough in his sidekick to bother reading about her, especially since he picked out her costume not knowing or caring that her powers don’t have anything to do with his, she’s just supposed to be “eye candy”.
Don’t tell her I said that, I have enough trouble with real life to have a fictional character after me, too.
Glad to see she went straight for ‘No way I’m letting you kill or try to kill anyone’ and completely not surprised he thinks ‘sidekick’ means ‘minion’ since he thinks and acts as a super-villain of course he expects his partner to be a mindless servile drone. Too bad for him ‘you’re my sidekick’ doesn’t trump obeying the law which is on her side when it comes to stopping a criminal act.
Can’t wait to see how this’ll turn out.Val needs to be aware of the consequences of her “actions.”
“Actually, no. Being your sidekick means I watch your back, follow procedure, and carry out orders from the Hero Agency (which, by the way, take precedence over any instructions *you* give). Said orders at the moment being “Make sure you don’t attempt murder”.”
Dammit Val youre supposed to be giving him enough rope withwhich to hang himself!This is the opposite of your job at the moment,Erg!At least bug him into assaulting you or something if you cant do what your boss tells you to do.
No part of her job IS to stop him from killing people, she and her boss aren’t so immoral as to let him kill anyone while trying to gather enough evidence to bury him. She also doesn’t have to bug him into assaulting her he’s more than enough out of control to assault her all on his own without provocation.
And again, priorities. Val has hers straight… preventing death or severe injury is more important than catching a bad guy. You are allowed to use your own people as bait, and that is when they are aware and willing. You do not get to use a random spraypaint artist as the bait in a sting.
I’m not calling him Shiver. His name is now Ice-hole.
And suddenly I wish this comment system had a “like” button.
That I could click a thousand times.
Ice-hole is about to have a broken finger.
Looks like someone’s updated the TVTrope Killer Cop with an entry for Shiver already, hopefully we’ll see something like Laser Guided Karma, Karmic Death, Hoist By His Own Petard, or something similar soon.
Actually Nightmask if she keeps doing this and Shiver winds up being not dumb enough to take a swing at her all thats going to happen is that Val will get in trouble for aiding and abetting criminals,Unless he uses his powers in a way that can potentially be fatal to someone/ count as excessive force theres no proof that his attempt to use his powers was unlawful in any way at all.Now if his powers were fire based or the ability to make peoples legs explode id be more on your side but Theres plenty of non fatal ways to ice a fool.
There’s no way she’d be in trouble for aiding and abetting a criminal since she did nothing of the sort and given he declared his intent to completely ice his opponent over he was clearly intending to use them with lethal intent. You’re also completely ignoring the fact that ice is NOT actually that harmless as was demonstrated previously (it took inflicting extra harm on the previous victim to keep him from suffocating to death, because it doesn’t take that many minutes to die from suffocation). Her actions were no different than stopping a partner getting ready to shoot someone in the back who was unarmed and fleeing (something that’s actually a crime even if there are some nuts who think it’s just fine), someone who in this case was guilty of the extremely minor crime of spraying graffiti on a wall.
I’m not sure spraying graffiti is a crime. Isn’t that a misdemeanor?
Agree with Nightmask. Shiver even said that he “had to tell them to take a deep breath”, which gives a good idea of what he was intending to do. “But he may have just been being sarcastic,” one might counter. Based on what Val has personally witnessed of the guy, and that he was visibly charging up to shoot (note the icy bits in the air around his hand), she would have been negligent NOT to do anything. A guy who has a history of using force far in excess of what a situation warrants… no. Val is perfectly in the right to act as she is. Remember… this girl was spraypainting. To use the cop analogy, you do not shoot to kill someone for defacing property. Or shoot to maim. Or shoot at all, because vandalism is pretty close to the bottom of the list of severity when it comes to crimes just about anywhere in America.
@Ragingagnostic Misdemeanors are still crimes, and some have surprisingly hefty penalties, but they aren’t death penalty offenses by even the remotest stretch of one’s imagination: unless you’re a killer cop or in this case a killer super looking for any excuse at all to inflict pain or death. He likely was going to have a good laugh icing the woman up and watching Val be forced to seriously injure another iced up victim of his in order to rescue her since (as we can see) he’s obviously used to the sidekicks where he’s from being slaves who never question let alone act to hinder the licensed super they’re assigned to no matter what crimes he’s committing.
Once again Nightmask you miss the point,If Shiver could only have a kill setting even the agency wouldnt be dumb enough to employ him.This is more along the lines of a cop tackling another cop to the ground cause they whipped out their tazer on a fleeing supect.Still excessive?,Yes of course but ultimately whos going to believe that this hero with no fatalities officially on his record(Thanks to the agency) is a nut who loves abusing his powers in a dangerous fashion?
Heck the only black mark thats officially on record is him Icing someone up who he couldve potentially de-iced and then letting his sidekick beat the shizznit out of the guy with a bat(admittedly to save the guys life but as I said before if I posted a video of Val charging in and battering the crap out of a defenceless black guy online im pretty sure itd be Val getting lynched by the press).
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